RE: [SLUG] HCC Linux/Unix courses

From: Brother Timothy (irisinc@tbi.net)
Date: Wed Aug 07 2002 - 09:19:52 EDT


The tuition is listed @ $57 per credit hour plus the enrollment fee, plus the book and probably some other nickle and dime fees. Colleges are good at that sort of thing.

Joe

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On 8/6/2002 at 5:34 PM Federico Paini wrote:

>Joe,
>
>I'm currently a MBA student at The University of Tampa and, knowing the
>university bureaucracy well, I can tell you that what your son went
>through is normal.
>He is not high school graduate for now and therefore require a special
>permit to attend college level classes.
>Every college/university has its own procedures in this kind of
>situation, unfortunately most of the time does not count the fact that
>the candidate already took some classes in a university settings
>somewhere else.
>Usually, those requirements are put in place to ensure a minimum of
>quality control about the student population. In my experience, those
>practices re pretty common across the US, no matter where you are.
>
>Federico
>
>PS. $200 is a very good price to me.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf
>> Of Brother
>> Timothy
>>
>> Gnorb;
>>
>> I read your message and my son who is 14 and I trotted over
>> to HHC to enroll for the Unix administrators class. Let me
>> tell you a not so pretty story.
>>
>> First, I am 66 years old so I don't need college credit. I
>> tried to sign up to audit the class but was told I had to
>> wait until the day after the class started to see if there
>> was an opening for me. No problem, paying customers always
>> come first, free loaders get in line.
>>
>> Next my son. My son is 14 years old. He will be attending
>> the CAT (Center for Advanced Technology) at Lakewood High
>> School in St. Petersburg this year as a freshman. The CAT
>> school is a magnet school for kids who are good in math,
>> physics,chemistry and computers. Enrollment is by lottery,
>> with the kid's who have the best grades being accepted first.
>>
>> My son writes programs in Basic, C and C++. I'll brag that
>> he writes some of the nicest code I have seen, well commented
>> and efficient. Recently he has also become good at
>> programing in Macromedia Flash and Active X. He runs SuSE
>> 8.0 and OpenBSD on different drives on his computer which he
>> also built.
>>
>> When he was in the 7th grade we lived in Alaska and he
>> attended the University of Alaska Anchorage for a Sophomore
>> class in "C" Programing. He got a "B". The reason I'm
>> including all this information is to establish the fact that
>> the kid has some knowledge of computing. I thought the
>> Administrators class would be ideal for him.
>>
>> We left my house in Clearwater at 9:30 this morning headed
>> for HCC. I registered first and then it was my son's turn.
>> The nice lady at the registration counter took his paperwork
>> but said we needed to see an advisor. OK, off we went. The
>> advisor referred us to a councilor who immediately started to
>> throw up road blocks in our path. First the kid had to take
>> an ACP test. Great, he's a high school freshman and he has
>> to take a college placement test. It doesn't seem to matter
>> that he has performed well in a university setting before.
>> Next, he has to get a letter from his high school granting
>> permission for him to take this class. Then finally, he has
>> to go before a review board and see if they, (in their
>> infinite wisdom) will allow me to spend some $200 to have the
>> kid take a class with me.
>>
>> You know, I moved to Florida from Alaska last year. I know
>> you guys in the "lower 48" as we used to refer to the
>> continental US are bogged down in bureaucracy but is this normal?
>>
>> HCC doesn't sell merchandise as far as I could tell. That
>> only leaves one thing they can sell which is a service.
>> Selling a service requires people to whom to sell the
>> service. If you make it difficult, almost impossible, for
>> people to avail themselves of the service which you are
>> selling, you usually don't stay in business very long, unless
>> of course you happen to be a government agency.
>>
>> I ask you guy's what harm is there in my spending $200 for my
>> kid to sit in a classroom and learn something about Unix? If
>> he can't pass the course, who is harmed? And finally, is
>> this the way things are done around here all of the time?
>>
>> Joe Ryan



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