Re: Roll up your sleeves! - was: RE: [SLUG] Good, Fast and Cheap?

From: bpreece1 (bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com)
Date: Fri Aug 15 2003 - 22:18:44 EDT


The Crap that bites is that our IT. Industries and Jobs in the USA are all
sell outs.
IT is the Coporate Officers trying to destroy any chance to make a decent
living at anything other than running a Company into the groud!

Industrial sabotage nothing less. As for anyone can network I would arguee
this there is still many things that this ecompasses that is not a piece
of cake. On a Coporate Level you have many things to deal with. Security,
Admin, Network Engineering, and planning for Coporate needs both present and
future.

How ever until the sellouts are put under control if you want to make it in
IT. then you better want to move to India or Russia.
Not to mention not only help desk support for Companys like Dell, AOL, and
IBM etc., but even telemarketers are going to there as well.

Down the road once this stuff blows up with poor service and language
barriers perhaps enough stink will be raised to bring the jobs back.
I don't know with so much emphasis on National Security why you would want
Middle East Companys to run your Technology Sector!!!!!

Anyways enough on this.
Bill Preece

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew M Hoerter" <amh@pobox.com>
To: <slug@nks.net>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Roll up your sleeves! - was: RE: [SLUG] Good, Fast and Cheap?

>
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Josh Tiner wrote:
>
> > computers in general. I've said this a dozen times, maybe not on this
> > list specifically - but I've voiced this on numerous occasions. Not to
> > sound insulting, but the fact of the matter is, anyone could "get"
> > computers. From networking, to programming, to databases - it's really
> > all a piece of cake. That's why the market is so saturated, and why
> > companies don't need people to do the jobs that anyone else could do.
> > Sure, some employees can do a job a little better that others - maybe
> > they have a bit more talent or experience - but do you really think
> > today's companies are going to spend the extra money?? It's laughable!
>
> While I do agree that certain IT sectors like PC repair, basic network
> support, and so forth can pretty much be done by anyone -- I think you're
> a little off the mark in thinking that programming is a "piece of cake".
> It's easy to program poorly, but very difficult to achieve the level of
> true mastery which maybe 5% of software engineers worldwide have achieved.
> And while there is some middle ground between those two, statistically
> speaking, most programmers are not very good.
>
> And although in some cases the difference between good software and bad
> software is less important, most of the time it has a significant impact
> on our lives. Financial systems, nuclear power plant control software,
> avionics computers, the list goes on and on. Even consumer software like
> Windows is important (witness the latest Internet worm). The next time
> you fly, if your plane is made by Airbus, then you are placing your life
> in the hands of many unknown programmers.
>
> The current business attitude that Chinese and Indian programmers working
> for a fraction of an American programmer's salary can generate quality
> software is a serious misconception and will be harmful in the long term.
> Writing software is not a mindless process like riveting parts on an
> assembly line, there is an art to it. And the truth is that most people
> can't do it very well.
>
> For a much better exploration of why software is hard, you should read
> Fred Brooks' "The Mythical Man Month".
>
>
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