JOSH !
Chill , Many have the right to gripe. If you spend your life working in it
then you have a right!
Next when you spend money as well as invest time you have the right!
Enough Said so there. If you want to carry it take it to politics!
Don't jump on others!
Later
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Tiner" <jtiner@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <slug@nks.net>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:28 PM
Subject: [SLUG] FORWARD MARCH! - was RE: Roll up your sleeves!
> WARNING: ABRASIVENESS AND CALL FOR /ACTION/ AHEAD
>
> ENOUGH! Stop the whining and crying already! All of you! It's disgusting
> to listen to and read about grown men whining and sniffling about the
> state of the IT market. Did any of you not read my original post re:
> rolling up sleeves and getting to work!
>
> The bottom line is that the economy is never going to be where it was
> circa 1995-1996. It's not going to suddenly bounce back and everyone is
> going to be "alright". It simply won't happen, so hang it up and forget
> about it. Will it get better? Yes. I think it will. Well it get worse?
> It might. Will each of you have fancy jobs writing code all day in a
> cushy office with a nice boss that showers you with generous pay and
> benefits - PROBABLY NOT! Will you have to accept lower pay, get your
> hands dirty, and actually have to do some WORK for a change - most of
> you will, some of you want depending on your connections, skill set,
> education, and just general all around luck of the draw.
>
> So hush the foolishness and hype about "guilds" and "unions". It's been
> discussed here before and nothing was ever done about it. Just a bunch
> of talk - so spare me - all of you! The Russians, Indians, and Chinese
> have a one up on us -- for now! That doesn't mean it'll be forever. It's
> not like we're going to all hop in a pick-up truck and go lynching
> foreign programmers like it was 1920 all over again is it? Give it a
> rest! Let the pendulum swing! In the mean time, I encourage all the
> people out there still unemployed to DO something productive with their
> time, just as I did in my previous post, such as getting a job
> irregardless of whether or not it has to do with computers, programming,
> or "IT".
>
> This attitude of defeat and despair I'm getting from everyone - not just
> on this mailing list, but other places too - is no longer getting ANY
> sympathy whatsoever from me. I'm sick of the helplessness that resonates
> off some people; it's utterly disgusting. Roof a house, sell insurance,
> work on a car, blow some damned leaves, sell pet rocks - I don't care -
> but do SOMETHING to turn a buck. Surfing monster.com and firing off
> e-mails (you know who you are!) is not going to get you a job in Tampa
> Bay for the most part - it takes a little ground pounding. Reality check
> people! Reality check!!!
>
> The pendulum will swing back someday in our favor - it always has and
> always will.
>
> As far as the unions and other forms of action and such go - the only
> thing I can say is let have a march across a bridge or something in the
> bay area and hope people take notice. This Saturday or something -
> Courtney Campbell or Gandy - your choice - make a sign and trudge twice
> - once across and one back? Whose with me on that? I have another person
> that would do it. Besides, we could make an event out of it - meet face
> to face. But if you say, - "Yeah! Let's do it!" - be there - and bring
> plenty of water, good walking shoes, and some sun screen! Certainly some
> portion of the public will take notice.
>
> Just my two frustrated n' fed up cents!
>
> -jtiner
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Ronald KA4INM
> >Youvan
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:12 AM
> >To: slug@nks.net
> >Subject: Re: Roll up your sleeves! - was: RE: [SLUG] Good, Fast and
> >Cheap?
> >
> > Guilds (unions) don't work if you can be easily replaced.
> > (especially if by a cheaper work force)
> >
> >> Frankly, as anti-union as I am, I'd favor an IT Union if it
> > > would mean that we could force companies to stop offshoring
> >> our jobs!
> >--
> > 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com
> > 100% Slack. since July, 1997 (still free!) SENT D&T are UTC
> > Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm
> >
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