On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 08:49, Steven Buehler wrote:
> I'm currently using Fedora Core 3 ... in spite of the disappointment with
> Fedora's failure to include significant packages, like mp3 support in XMMS
You mean this "failure" to open your commercial company to a lawsuit?
RE: http://rpm.livna.org/
"The merger between Fedora.us and Red Hat necessitated the removal of
certain problematic packages (including but not limited to mplayer,
xine, videolan-client and xmms-mp3) due to licensing issues or US
software patent.
The open community of volunteers gathered in rpm.livna.org will continue
to maintain those packages and everybody is free to contribute by
sending new spec files and/or new packages."
E.g.: http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/3/i386/RPMS.stable/
"...
[RPM] xmms-mp3-1.2.10-0.lvn.2.3.i386.rpm 08-nov-2004 12:50 73K
..."
> --had to compile XMMS from scratch to get it)
Why not just:
# cat rpm http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/3/i386 stable >>
/etc/apt/sources.list
# apt-get update
# apg-get install xmms-mp3
'Nothing but 'Net. ;->
> Once I install Mandrake off the CDs I just change the urpm sources to
> online sites,
Am I mistaken or is that not what one does with APT/YUM in Fedora?
Beyond Fedora Core, Extras, Legacy, I also tap Livna.ORG and DAG.
That takes care of 100% of my needs.
> and simply run 'urpmi <package name>' to install a package with
> dependencies or 'urpme <package name>' to remove a package with dependencies.
Again, kinda scratching my head here, isn't that the same thing?
> It's very simple and easy to work with.
I don't disagree with that statement. But I do disagree with the fact
that you "had to compile XMMS from scratch to get it." ;->
> Prior to around Mandrake 7 they included a little utility called autourpm,
> which created soft links to install every package available in the distro.
> When I go to launch a program that's not installed, it would prompt me with
> something like, "this app isn't installed, do you want me to install it?",
> and after confirming it would automagically install the package with all its
> dependencies and then execute the program. Not sure why it was removed from
> later versions.
Red Hat used to include various, similar tools (including an rpm with
all the dependencies of all packages on the distro), but they were
rather eccentric. In typical Red Hat fashion, they just decided to
leverage what works -- hence why they put APT/YUM support directly into
the RHN up2date binary (even in RHEL) starting a year and a half ago.
And the rest came with the Fedora re-org.
I'm not saying Fedora is "better." But I am saying that most people are
totally unaware of what Fedora does indeed offer, and the real issues a
US-based commercial distribution has to face that most non-US distros
don't.
Heck, even Debian has clear repository separation/nomenclature for many
of these same packages.
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