Paul M Foster wrote:
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>>
>> Not quite sure what you mean by "trolling". If I were to use the
>> term I would be accusing the person of insincerity. If you mean to
>> say that, I apologize for all my shortcomings.
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> In case anyone else wonders....
>
> 1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a
> posting on {Usenet} designed to attract predictable responses or
> {flame}s; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for
> {newbie}s" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of
> fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a
> bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of
> newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than
> they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and
> experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall
> for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also {YHBT}.
>
> 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly
> posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup,
> discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy
> someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact
> that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand -
> they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they
> are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as
> such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in,
> "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare {kook}.
>
Hi Paul!
OK. I don't fall into any of these categories. After two years I am
hardly a newbie, but I am certainly getting frustrated when after all
this things still don't work. Being frustrated is not the same as
flaming in my opinion. I ask your indulgence, after all, my
understanding is that the list is to *help* people.
Now if you read the dead tree "F" manual as I have and it evidently
gives you the wrong information (i.e.: type the command exactly as
written in the manual and it generates an error) and you search the web
and can't find any information that works on the problem you are having,
as I also have, what is left *but* the list?
Now in this case we are dealing with a "point-and-click" distro which is
supposed to "just work". When you look for things in it they aren't
there or are well hidden enough that the experienced guys at the meeting
can't find them. The point-and-click-website is not updated very often,
either. I have decided to get my saved emails onto a cd if I can, blow
this off and install what the guys who are trying to help me are
familiar with. Maybe when we are all reading on the same page . . .
Regards,
Pete
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