On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 04:31, Chad Perrin wrote:
> It looks like the only thing you said, Bryan, that wasn't an agreement
> with or emphasis on something I said was your clarification that
> basically no free support has been removed by the guys at RH.
It was just a general clarification of many things. I completely agreed
with nearly all of your statements, and am glad you made them. Red Hat
has to be tight lipped on their changes, for legal reasons. Your
assumptions were far, far better than 99.9% of those I've seen, and you
were fairly accurate. I just merely tried to explain things in more
detail.
Unfortunately, many people have have assumed a lot. E.g., at first,
people assumed that Red Hat was getting out of the desktop market, even
though Red Hat still offered both RHEL WS _and_ the Red Hat Professional
Workstation (the retail, strink wrapped box of RHEL WS for $109 list,
typically found for $89-99). Ironically, Red Hat came out with a
product called the Red Hat Desktop, which is nothing more than just a 10
or 50 volume license of RHEL WS, so the media would stop assuming such.
Product naming is a big deal to many. The Fedora move was a way out of
the trademark issues, which also solved Red Hat's wishes to please many
suggestions by the community. But anyone who thinks Fedora is a not
still completely controlled by Red Hat has not looked at Fedora. Again,
the obviousness is in the truth.
> I defer to your apparently much greater familiarity with that subject
> than my own.
Again, I'm just pleased that you didn't demonize Red Hat like many
others do.
> Further clarification about some things I said:
> I don't like the RedHat/Fedora distributions of GNU/Linux much,
> basically because of the way installation is handled (which also affects
> the manner in with the OS performs once installed). Insofar as I am
> familiar with them, however, I have zero problems with the way the
> company does business.* I'd like to see more software companies sell
> service instead of "products", the way RedHat and (especially) Progeny do.
Agreed. Linux as a service, I love Progeny's model. Of course, a lot
of people at Progeny follow Fedora -- and their Componentized Linux uses
the Anaconda installer too.
> While I'm at it, I don't like the Progeny Debian distro much either,
> again because of the installation methodology (using anaconda, as do
> RedHat distributions).
Yep.
> I think I'm done being pedantic and annoyingly long-winded now.
> (* = other than issues that are fairly universal in the United States
> pseudo-Keynesian mixed economy)
The macroeconomics of our system may not be Keynesian as a whole, but
one Keynesian rule remains. You give your customer what they want.
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