RE: [SLUG] threads trend (top vs. bottom replies.)

From: Ken Elliott (kelliott4@tampabay.rr.com)
Date: Sun Aug 14 2005 - 14:11:34 EDT


>> Often it is easier to read the most current slice of thread at the top
of the page,

Yes, that is why we started top-posting in the mid-1970s.

>> but M$ is trying to change the way we do everything.

This came about long before MS had an OS. They are actually being
compatible with old UNIX guys on this one.

>> When you look at the history of Linux and the GNU project, more than a
clever alternative OS it's like the people making a stand against the giant.

Sorry, but that is NOT the case.

>> I don't want anyone telling me what I should do or how to do it. This
is why I bottom-post. It's not about proper flow of thought or pooping, it
is about doing what I want in a society with assinine regulations. VIVA LA
GNU!

I support your right to post however you wish. But top-posting has been
around for about 30 years and works well for those who participate in the
dialog. It IS more difficult to read for those who want to read the entire
thread after it has been completed.

The odd thing about bottom posting is that it only makes sense if you
include the entire message thread. Otherwise you have to go back an read
the oldest message first. If you are going to do that, then it is much
easer to top post, with inline references (the style of this message).

Ken Elliott

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-----Original Message-----
From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of michael hast
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:44 AM
To: slug@nks.net
Subject: Re: [SLUG] threads trend (top vs. bottom replies.)

steve szmidt wrote:

>On Saturday 13 August 2005 18:35, patrick grantham wrote:
>
>
>>Threads on top when replying vs. threads on bottom. Lord have mercy,
>>I hope a standard comes out. The war between replying on the top vs.
>>bottom is giving a headache. Both have merit, I just wish one would win.
>>
>>
>
>Well there is a standard. In the beginning... hehe, well it's true. In
>the beginning replies were actually done at the bottom of the post.
>Emails were easy to read.
>
>BTW, email programs are the ones that were set to automatically add the
>reply to the top or bottom. Intersecting replies were also made after
>each paragraph or statement when several issues were being discussed,
>but that was done manually.
>
>Microsoft were very late to "get" the Internet. When they did they
>tried to change the way everyone worked it. [Which is also standard for
>them. Adopt a standard and change it.] Anyway they had tried a couple
>of things to modify the way the Internet worked in an attempt to "take
>over". To make it a MS network basically. Fortunately they failed on
>all but adding great confusion with top posting.
>
>One of the things they did is to have their email programs
>automatically start replies at the top, rather than bottom. You know
>how prevalent windows became and with all these new users who did not
>know squat about how things were done. So they were automatically moved
onto the MS way of top posting.
>
>Unfortunately/fortunately I don't expect that one will "win" as some
>people will never stop doing it their way. With companies like MS who
>only leave their own standards alone, I for one don't ever expect that to
ever occur.
>
>
>
And that's exactly why I say bottom. I can follow a train of thought
backwards because I've got a twisted brain. Often it is easier to read the
most current slice of thread at the top of the page, but M$ is trying to
change the way we do everything. When you look at the history of Linux and
the GNU project, more than a clever alternative OS it's like the people
making a stand against the giant. In a way, it is the world's first
successful Socialist revolution. I don't want anyone telling me what I
should do or how to do it. This is why I bottom-post. It's not about
proper flow of thought or pooping, it is about doing what I want in a
society with assinine regulations. VIVA LA GNU!
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