Re: NOW: Mail Blocking -- WAS: [SLUG] WiFI Ripoff

From: Richard Morgan (rmorgan@heavysystems.com)
Date: Fri Mar 31 2006 - 09:00:36 EST


There are other ways to control spam that doesn't include blocking. For
example, you can add a small delay between sending messages. For the normal
user, the delay won't be an issue but for someone who's trying to send out
thousands and thousands of e-mails it would be almost impossible to
send it all
out in a reasonable amount of time. Maybe cap someone's daily limit of
e-mails
sent through your servers? I mean, most people don't send more than a hundred
messages a day. If they do, they can ask for a higher e-mail cap.

I don't agree with IP blocking... that's a brute force, dumb method of trying
to control spam. Besides, most spam is sent through dynamic IP zombie
machines
nowadays. We need a more intelligent method but I don't believe this
problem is
going to ever go away. There's too much money to be made on both sides of the
issue.

Sincerely,
Richard Morgan
Heavy Systems Administrator
http://www.heavysystems.com
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Quoting Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com>:

> Mike Branda wrote:
>
>> Funny you guys should mention this....
>>
>> We're currently hosting (at the office) with Dreamhost out of Calif. and
>> I am fighting with them on issues of AOL blocking our outbound e-mailsto
>> their customers due to supposed high traffic. This started last week.
>> Dreamhost says they have conferred with AOL and have fixed the blocking
>> issue but e-mails still bounce with the same AOL error code. And of
>> course the end user doesn't give a rip why it's happening. All they
>> know is they can't complete daily tasks involving AOL recipients because
>> of it and somehow I'm to blame. I'm all in favor of reducing spam but
>> there has to be a less abrasive method and better resolutions than what
>> is starting to take place at ISP's.
>>
>
> AOL's AOL. I don't know what their criteria are. I'm guessing they're
> about as arrogant and capricious as Microsoft. Their attitude is
> probably like, "If you're not on AOL, you don't deserve to be on the
> internet, and we can block you for any reason."
>
> I haven't checked spamcop's criteria, but it appears one only has to
> complain. The last time this happened to us, I was told that some guy
> had received an email from a list he'd forgotten he'd subscribed to,
> and reported it to spamcop. Voila, a 24 hour block on our IP.
>
> There used to be a guy who ran an RBL service, who did it all
> automated. (Can't recall the name.) The tests would check for open
> relays, etc. No judgement involved. But he ran afoul of some city
> government somewhere who threatened to sue him, and shut his service
> down. Real shame.
>
> This is why I'm putting my customers on their own IP, and our company
> sites on a different IP. Most of them don't use our SMTP servers
> anyway (they use their ISP's email instead).
>
> --
> Paul M. Foster
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