Re: [SLUG] Here's a crazy idea...

From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com
Date: Fri Aug 16 2002 - 02:31:54 EDT


Oasis DSL was actually reselling Road Runner Service as DSL.
So reselling has been done.

How ever they were not allowed to do so.
Also there is alot of things with this.

1. Reliability of equipment and service.
2. COST, Including Equipment, Power, Connectivity, Major ISP providers
service cost, Servers, Maintance
Lightning protection especially this time a year.
3. Bandwidth if you tried to have 20 users with connecting at 56k you will
not have any bandwidth left to make it worth while.
4. If we throw the SLUG name to it then it creates a Finical problem because
we are non-profit.
5. As for back to the cost the equipment you need would be still in the 5
grand range to make it even considerable to be decent service.
 When I use to work for a BBS to set up for Cyber Cup it was running
$1,000.00 just for the phone lines.
This was for 20 to 35 users to be online at one time.
Now if you are going to go for DSL then hold on to your wallets to get
enough bandwidth again then you have to get Verizons to license you to run
your service next you got the FCC to deal with. In short it is more costly
to do all of this for less then 100 people then for each to get them selves
broadband.
So is it possible to have 20 users at 20.00 each to pay for all this each
month ? I do not see it possible.
Oh and if we did this in Tampa then Sarasota would have to pay long
distance, Port Charlotte etc.,
So has anyone though about the cost of 800 access numbers.

Perhaps I am wrong but I know most are not looking at TCO with the right
figures.

As for Wireless slowwwww , many things to go wrong and again FCC license to
broadcast a strong signal and equipment and repeaters etc.,

Perhaps I am wrong but I do not see it being as easy as most think to do
this.

----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <steve@itcom.net>
To: <slug@nks.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Here's a crazy idea...

> > You have to have a LOT of customers to run an ISP in the black. It's
> > not the equipment that necessarily costs - you can build a decent
> > ISP-in-a-box with a couple of Linux PCs and a rackmount modem bank
> > plus whatever access equipment you need which you can probably get
> > off ebay cheap nowadays - it's the internet access.
>
> Unless, you happen to know someone who has all this, in Los Angeles
> granted but with national coverage. With enough qty I bet I can get a
> decent deal. We'd just be another sub ISP. Most ISP are under other
> ISP's.
>
> This is one I built many years ago. Lot's of changes and it's not very
> big but operational. Dialup makes no diff as they all (almost) use
> UUNET pops anyhow. Broadband is also available. It's in some nice NOC
> (Network Operations Center).
>
> My e-mail is actually one I've kept as I did the support for a few
> years, a number of years ago.
>
> If enough are interested I can check what kind of pricing we can get.
> 56K, DSL who knows maybe RR too as it's being resold. Twenty five
> accounts could be a good enough.
>
> This would in fact either be a colocate or space rent on their servers.
> I don't see why we would do anything but share space on a server. But
> we could use our own name.
>
> Let me know...
> --
> Steve



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