Re: [SLUG] IBM

From: David R. Meyer (david@davidmeyer.org)
Date: Sun Sep 23 2007 - 19:37:38 EDT


Holy smokes...I never thought I'd see that posted on SLUG. Regretfully,
you're pretty darn close to the mark, and I have many Linux advocates
who will tell you that is why they run Linux on their servers, but not
on their desktops. Me...I have a Windows XP laptop for my work computer
(corporate standard) but Macs throughout the house. Just bought a new
one yesterday as a matter of fact. Runs like a champ.

I love Linux, don't get me wrong, but sadly I believe parent post was
accurate. The fact is that for the "average" desktop user, Linux is not
ready for the desktop. For the advanced users, it may be. But I have
had THREE new laptops in the past fifteen months, and NONE of them
worked without some significant tweaking in some sort of another, be it
sound, wifi or whatever...none was a clean build.

OpenSolaris...that's another story. It has worked flawlessly on all
three laptops...without fail.

SOTL wrote:
> We were discussing why Linux is not acceptable to the masses.
>
> Well I am writing this in OpenOffice.
> I attempted to start Open Office a minute ago and it started but I must have
> double clicked again (I have my Linux box set up for single click) which
> meant that OpenOffice halfway opened with this damn OpenOffice blue scree
> which stops and gives one the Linux equivalent of the Blue Screen of Death
> since double clicking screws OpenOffice initiation up to such an extent that
> the computer freezes up leaving the only way out as <Ctl><Atl><BackSpace>.
> This existed has existed since the Star Office days. I am on the Open Office
> list and have long since given up bitching about it.
>
> You recall my computer tower, the one with the drawer in it for the HD so that
> I could put a complete Linux system on one HD with out the fancy VMWare
> controls et. The only way I know to evaluate a operating system is to do a
> evaluation on the OS. Any way I still have it
>
> Lets see I have one system I am currently using Fedora 6 which works
> reasonable well which if you recall Fedora 6 came in Fedora 6 Basic and
> Fedora 6 add ons
>
> Well in Fedora 7 they combined the two. Well and good until you go to some
> site like CNN where you will be surprised how many times you experience the
> Linux equivalent of the Windows blue screen of death. What appears to happen
> is that something gets hung in a loop from which there is no escape except
> <Ctrl><Alt><Back>.
>
> On another disk I have OpenSuSE 10.2. Most things work except when you desire
> to go on the internet. If I put any Linux system in the computer except
> OpenSuSE boot and go on line then put the OpenSuSE system in and OpenSuSE
> will go on line. If I then shut down and attempt to reboot OpenSuSE it may go
> on line and it may not. This issue has exist4ed with US internet providers
> since SuSE 6.0 and this has occurred with me on at least 5 DSL providers 2
> mine 3 office.
>
> If one is really intestered in Boom Box and movies one can not use a US based
> distribution due to crazies US laws on copyright so I have Sabasian and
> Mandriva.
>
> First Mandriva. Mandrake is an improvement so why bother?
>
> Sabasian is a great Italian distribution until one wants to update. Well
> something doesn't work on all distributions. With Sabasian it is update.
>
> Somewhere there is an HD with Unburnt on shoved back in the back of the
> cabinet. Good place for it as Scientific Linux is a much better distribution
> unless you have special driver needs as on a laptop.
>
> The latest and greatest Scientific Linux is on another HD. Only issue is that
> for its stability you are about 3 years behind the curve which leaves out
> important networking features. If you do need that and a less than current
> distribution is ok then Scientific Linux is your thing.
>
> Sorry do not have a PC Linux as first it is US based and second it is a take
> off of Mandriva.
>
> Now for the continuations of why Linux is not accepted.
>
> I wanted to install a data base on my laptop using Open Office as the
> connection vehicle. Now that in itself raised major issues as this was a few
> years back and Open Office just was not up to it at that time. It is now.
> BUT! The problem I ran into still exist and is a big reason why people will
> shy away from Linus. Mandrake, yes this was still in the Mandrake error,
> modified connectors so that they would work. Unfortunately they did not
> rename them when the did so. It took me three months of installing connectors
> to find out that I was installing the right connector but that I was getting
> it from the wrong source. The Sun connector would not work. You had to get it
> from an obscure Mandrake source Finally got one computer up and running about
> 3 AM and decided to call it quits because I had simply had it. Came back to
> the issue 3 days later to find that Mandrake had updated the connector and
> that the new super wham doom connector was completely worthless as it would
> not work. I can just see this happening in the business world. The computer
> would be headed out the door or window if a convenient door was not
> available.
>
> We could go rounds and rounds with similar stories but the point is that:
>
> Linux is NOT stable it keep changing on an hourely bases which is good for
> development and horrible for production and the Linux distributions that are
> desk top stable like Scientific Linux are missing important functions
> required for networking.
>
> Buy this time the Linux shrills are in orbit beyond the Moon so I will bottom
> line this and quit.
>
> Linux and the Mac OS for serious business usage are no better than Vista is
> but for completely different reasons with neither usable on the desktop. That
> leaves XP as the only OS which can run the required application programs and
> all it crash, trash, spy, Microsoft feedback and spam issues as the only
> viable half ass usable operating system. A fact that I hate and constantly
> bitch about but can make no headway in having developers resolve the issues
> as that is not where the glory is.
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